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Re: Production skills, tips, tricks and techniques

Postby Robomb » Thu Mar 08, 2012 7:27 am

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Robomb wrote:Hey Everyone!

I have a question about mixing, more specifically panning. I know the kick/bass should be panned dead center and in mono, but I was wondering about higher freq stuff. For example, I hear the claps and snares panned to the side, but Im not exactly sure about high hats, white noise, and lead sounds. I read somewhere that you should pan the lead out to the sides to make room for the bass and kick, but Im wondering how to do that without muddying the claps and everything else panned to the side. Does it have to do with eqing everything?

Thanks!



im quite careful with panning, i mean sometimes i have heavy panning with background sounds like maybe automating the panning but as far as percs and hats etc go im quite conservative. sometimes i do use stereo spreaders and stuff but i usually leave the actual panning on the mixer right till the end when doing the final mixdown. remember aswell not all bass should be mono...just sub bass. some bass can reach into higher frequencys where u wont want them to be centred. with claps for example i might use 3 sounds...and treat them slightly differently....one slightly left one slightly right and one centre, usually compress them together but i might use different EQs or reeverbs on each individual sound. obviously panning and EQ is making your space but remember the actual levels are important aswell, some sounds you might have right in the background which are panned, and these really make a difference even if they are sitting in the background. making everything sound wide is sweet but remember you can go too wide!


Thank you very much!

As for bass, around what frequency should I put in mono? Should I split the bass into two tracks and put a LP filter on one and a HP filter on the other?



i normally put below 150hz to mono! you can split your bass then EQ them seperately yes but a handy little tool is something called otiumfx basslane (or something like that lol) but its free and basically what id does is u set your cutoff point and anything below the cut off is summed to mono, handy little tool! but yeh u cud split your basses and EQ them accordingly. that little free plug in is pretty sweet tho i use it regularly, saves on CPU aswell coz ur using less channels, EQs etc.

Oh wow that sounds exactly like what I need. Thank you so much!
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Re: Production skills, tips, tricks and techniques

Postby focatoca » Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:43 pm

Hi! Im looking to buy new studio headphones just for producing music. Heard only good stuff about the beyerdynamic. My question would be:

Which one is best suitable for my needs?(flat frequency line, isolated)? Also, would I need to buy any external device to get the best out of them?

I've read the previous post but asking again since they are old.

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Re: Production skills, tips, tricks and techniques

Postby Mick » Thu Mar 08, 2012 5:16 pm

focatoca wrote:Hi! Im looking to buy new studio headphones just for producing music. Heard only good stuff about the beyerdynamic. My question would be:

Which one is best suitable for my needs?(flat frequency line, isolated)? Also, would I need to buy any external device to get the best out of them?

I've read the previous post but asking again since they are old.

Thank u

I know luke uses the dre beats, I believe skrillex does too. It depends on how much your willing to spend
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Re: Production skills, tips, tricks and techniques

Postby focatoca » Thu Mar 08, 2012 5:45 pm

Mick wrote:
focatoca wrote:Hi! Im looking to buy new studio headphones just for producing music. Heard only good stuff about the beyerdynamic. My question would be:

Which one is best suitable for my needs?(flat frequency line, isolated)? Also, would I need to buy any external device to get the best out of them?

I've read the previous post but asking again since they are old.

Thank u

I know luke uses the dre beats, I believe skrillex does too. It depends on how much your willing to spend

yeah i know luke uses them and to be honest im not so interested in the "beats".. i know they are very good isolated but other than that ive just heard they are overpriced etc..

Anyone who owns a pair of beyerdynamic and could tell me about how u use it? do u just plug them into the computer or are u in need of a soundcard etc?
How are they? What are the differences between: 990 and 770 for example?

also how many ohms do i need ?

thx guys
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Re: Production skills, tips, tricks and techniques

Postby jec1521 » Thu Mar 08, 2012 5:54 pm

focatoca wrote:
Mick wrote:
focatoca wrote:Hi! Im looking to buy new studio headphones just for producing music. Heard only good stuff about the beyerdynamic. My question would be:

Which one is best suitable for my needs?(flat frequency line, isolated)? Also, would I need to buy any external device to get the best out of them?

I've read the previous post but asking again since they are old.

Thank u

I know luke uses the dre beats, I believe skrillex does too. It depends on how much your willing to spend

yeah i know luke uses them and to be honest im not so interested in the "beats".. i know they are very good isolated but other than that ive just heard they are overpriced etc..

Anyone who owns a pair of beyerdynamic and could tell me about how u use it? do u just plug them into the computer or are u in need of a soundcard etc?
How are they? What are the differences between: 990 and 770 for example?

also how many ohms do i need ?

thx guys


I have the 770's and love them. I believe the 990's are a bit better for production purposes though. Although, if you get the 990's, you will need a soundcard or an amplifier of some sort because of the high ohm rating.
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Re: Production skills, tips, tricks and techniques

Postby focatoca » Thu Mar 08, 2012 5:59 pm

jec1521 wrote:
focatoca wrote:
Mick wrote:
focatoca wrote:Hi! Im looking to buy new studio headphones just for producing music. Heard only good stuff about the beyerdynamic. My question would be:

Which one is best suitable for my needs?(flat frequency line, isolated)? Also, would I need to buy any external device to get the best out of them?

I've read the previous post but asking again since they are old.

Thank u

I know luke uses the dre beats, I believe skrillex does too. It depends on how much your willing to spend

yeah i know luke uses them and to be honest im not so interested in the "beats".. i know they are very good isolated but other than that ive just heard they are overpriced etc..

Anyone who owns a pair of beyerdynamic and could tell me about how u use it? do u just plug them into the computer or are u in need of a soundcard etc?
How are they? What are the differences between: 990 and 770 for example?

also how many ohms do i need ?

thx guys


I have the 770's and love them. I believe the 990's are a bit better for production purposes though. Although, if you get the 990's, you will need a soundcard or an amplifier of some sort because of the high ohm rating.

oh great, can u tell me bit more? u just plug the headphones straight to the computer? what i dig about the 770's is that they are closed headphones. what makes u think the 990's is better for producing? do the 770's colour the sound or how do u mean?

thx
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Re: Production skills, tips, tricks and techniques

Postby WhiteLabel » Thu Mar 08, 2012 6:14 pm

Ok, I was thinking about it, and I wanted to write down my views and problems with bass/kick before I forgot.

So basically, my original understanding was that the most kicks sit around the 50hz mark (not always, but generally) and the bass above that, and you needed to roll off the bass to move it out of the way of the kick. And sidechained the bass to not have the kick level fluctuate. The problem with what I have been doing, is generally they lead to thin baselines in the clubs,, and the Swedish house trend atm, i.e calling.pressure etc, Have these huge kicks that cut through, as well as having these thick powerful baselines, which have the lower harmonics played by the sub's yet seem to not affect the level of the kick. In my tracks, the kick is more prominent with the bass muted, than when the bass is there, yet with the trend of big room house, the kick is just as powerful with or without the baseline playing.

I notice that these translate into clubs a lot better, as even tho my tracks sound punchy, and could never come across as muddy on a large scale sound system, the bassline’s simply arnt moving enough air, to size up to the Swedish Bigroom tracks. Levels and Pressure is a good example, or how u have a fat kick thats cut's through like a knife, with just as fat bassline, both in the sub region as neither fighting each other, and levels really does sound GOOD EVEYWHERE!!!

P.S I should mention the kicks I'm using are good, because there sample from tracks that work. i. e. avicii
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Re: Production skills, tips, tricks and techniques

Postby carlozpaz » Thu Mar 08, 2012 9:01 pm

hello everybody,

i have a question to all those who have watched the nicky romero future music video.

how did he made (what he calls) axwell woosh. you can find it on 31min.
it´s kind of upraising white noise with a lot of chorus in there... but maybe someone can explain how to recreate that kind of effect.

cheers
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Re: Production skills, tips, tricks and techniques

Postby Jay La Noma » Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:11 pm

jec1521 wrote:
focatoca wrote:
Mick wrote:
focatoca wrote:Hi! Im looking to buy new studio headphones just for producing music. Heard only good stuff about the beyerdynamic. My question would be:

Which one is best suitable for my needs?(flat frequency line, isolated)? Also, would I need to buy any external device to get the best out of them?

I've read the previous post but asking again since they are old.

Thank u

I know luke uses the dre beats, I believe skrillex does too. It depends on how much your willing to spend

yeah i know luke uses them and to be honest im not so interested in the "beats".. i know they are very good isolated but other than that ive just heard they are overpriced etc..

Anyone who owns a pair of beyerdynamic and could tell me about how u use it? do u just plug them into the computer or are u in need of a soundcard etc?
How are they? What are the differences between: 990 and 770 for example?

also how many ohms do i need ?

thx guys


I have the 770's and love them. I believe the 990's are a bit better for production purposes though. Although, if you get the 990's, you will need a soundcard or an amplifier of some sort because of the high ohm rating.


That's not true actually. I have the 990's (250 ohm) and I can plug them directly into my Macbook.
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Re: Production skills, tips, tricks and techniques

Postby Mick » Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:17 pm

I found out today that fabfilter are doing 30 day trials on vst's, they are really great fun http://www.fabfilter.com
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Re: Production skills, tips, tricks and techniques

Postby Jay La Noma » Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:22 pm

WhiteLabel wrote:Ok, I was thinking about it, and I wanted to write down my views and problems with bass/kick before I forgot.

So basically, my original understanding was that the most kicks sit around the 50hz mark (not always, but generally) and the bass above that, and you needed to roll off the bass to move it out of the way of the kick. And sidechained the bass to not have the kick level fluctuate. The problem with what I have been doing, is generally they lead to thin baselines in the clubs,, and the Swedish house trend atm, i.e calling.pressure etc, Have these huge kicks that cut through, as well as having these thick powerful baselines, which have the lower harmonics played by the sub's yet seem to not affect the level of the kick. In my tracks, the kick is more prominent with the bass muted, than when the bass is there, yet with the trend of big room house, the kick is just as powerful with or without the baseline playing.

I notice that these translate into clubs a lot better, as even tho my tracks sound punchy, and could never come across as muddy on a large scale sound system, the bassline’s simply arnt moving enough air, to size up to the Swedish Bigroom tracks. Levels and Pressure is a good example, or how u have a fat kick thats cut's through like a knife, with just as fat bassline, both in the sub region as neither fighting each other, and levels really does sound GOOD EVEYWHERE!!!

P.S I should mention the kicks I'm using are good, because there sample from tracks that work. i. e. avicii


Lower harmonics aren't played by the sub bass. Sub bass is not what you hear, but what you feel. Also, kicks don't just sit at the 50hz mark. The sub bass of a kick does, but a kick goes much high in the frequency spectrum. The punchy click of a kick usually sits between the 4khz–6khz mark. Chances are, what you are hearing when the kick cuts through a lot is that punchy attack cutting through.

When you have your kick and bass going, at what frequency do you usually lowcut the bass? And how heavily are you sidechaining it?
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Re: Production skills, tips, tricks and techniques

Postby DannyT. » Thu Mar 08, 2012 11:45 pm

focatoca wrote:
jec1521 wrote:
focatoca wrote:
Mick wrote:
focatoca wrote:Hi! Im looking to buy new studio headphones just for producing music. Heard only good stuff about the beyerdynamic. My question would be:

Which one is best suitable for my needs?(flat frequency line, isolated)? Also, would I need to buy any external device to get the best out of them?

I've read the previous post but asking again since they are old.

Thank u

I know luke uses the dre beats, I believe skrillex does too. It depends on how much your willing to spend

yeah i know luke uses them and to be honest im not so interested in the "beats".. i know they are very good isolated but other than that ive just heard they are overpriced etc..

Anyone who owns a pair of beyerdynamic and could tell me about how u use it? do u just plug them into the computer or are u in need of a soundcard etc?
How are they? What are the differences between: 990 and 770 for example?

also how many ohms do i need ?

thx guys


I have the 770's and love them. I believe the 990's are a bit better for production purposes though. Although, if you get the 990's, you will need a soundcard or an amplifier of some sort because of the high ohm rating.

oh great, can u tell me bit more? u just plug the headphones straight to the computer? what i dig about the 770's is that they are closed headphones. what makes u think the 990's is better for producing? do the 770's colour the sound or how do u mean?

thx


2 weeks ago, ive bought the KRK kns8400, and i am more than happy with it! they have a really good prize/performance ratio and they sound geat. theyr sound is really natural!
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Re: Production skills, tips, tricks and techniques

Postby focatoca » Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:09 am

DannyT. wrote:
focatoca wrote:
jec1521 wrote:
focatoca wrote:
Mick wrote:
focatoca wrote:Hi! Im looking to buy new studio headphones just for producing music. Heard only good stuff about the beyerdynamic. My question would be:

Which one is best suitable for my needs?(flat frequency line, isolated)? Also, would I need to buy any external device to get the best out of them?

I've read the previous post but asking again since they are old.

Thank u

I know luke uses the dre beats, I believe skrillex does too. It depends on how much your willing to spend

yeah i know luke uses them and to be honest im not so interested in the "beats".. i know they are very good isolated but other than that ive just heard they are overpriced etc..

Anyone who owns a pair of beyerdynamic and could tell me about how u use it? do u just plug them into the computer or are u in need of a soundcard etc?
How are they? What are the differences between: 990 and 770 for example?

also how many ohms do i need ?

thx guys


I have the 770's and love them. I believe the 990's are a bit better for production purposes though. Although, if you get the 990's, you will need a soundcard or an amplifier of some sort because of the high ohm rating.

oh great, can u tell me bit more? u just plug the headphones straight to the computer? what i dig about the 770's is that they are closed headphones. what makes u think the 990's is better for producing? do the 770's colour the sound or how do u mean?

thx


2 weeks ago, ive bought the KRK kns8400, and i am more than happy with it! they have a really good prize/performance ratio and they sound geat. theyr sound is really natural![/quotej]
@jec1521, how many ohms do u have on ur 770? also which is the model? pro or which one? think im going for the dt 770's dont know which model..
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Re: Production skills, tips, tricks and techniques

Postby AlexRanerro » Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:15 am

Helo guys !

I'm trying to make this kind of funky bass sound which is in alex kenji track called nine apples. Any idea how to do it ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKBKz0CONhk
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Re: Production skills, tips, tricks and techniques

Postby beniii » Fri Mar 09, 2012 5:49 am

carlozpaz wrote:hello everybody,

i have a question to all those who have watched the nicky romero future music video.

how did he made (what he calls) axwell woosh. you can find it on 31min.
it´s kind of upraising white noise with a lot of chorus in there... but maybe someone can explain how to recreate that kind of effect.

cheers


Its been answered before (before the NR vid came out)...

Oli larkin endlass phaser...

This is only part of it... Like NR said, its going to take a long time and lots of listening and trial and error to get it.... close.
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